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Topic: Common Smile Questions



Date: 10/16/01
Subject: Re: Re: Re:Re: extra smile songs? many questions?

Heres how i got my Smile 1- Look up Daubers l'il smile site, and study his Rundown. 2- check out Brian's 1966 handwritten Smile tracklist. 3- Take what you have in the way of MP3's and cdr's and construct something that isnt as OTT as the first source, but also logically expands on BW's '66 tracklist, coming to a compromise between the two ideals(concept album, or forty minute pop lp) The point made about fan edits is also valid. If you have an MD recorder/player, its possible to edit pieces into existing pieces. For instance, i edited He Gives Speeches into Wonderful, after the third verse, after which Wonderful continues to the end, a'la Smiley Wonderful with its unexpected "hey babaruba" edit. Of course, this is not to be confused with whatever historical paramaters are in place for Smile(See thread below for Cam Mott and Brad Elliot's (among others) discussion of of the minuti of the whole Smile shebang. Most obviously, theres a damn fine FAQ on this very site which should give you some vital leaders. Fan edits are cool, but they are just that, an amusing sidetrack or a way of making the music come alive in the way Brian MAY HAVE invisaged it. Have Fun.

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>>> .. so when was the WHISPERING WINDS from SOT tracked? <<<

According to the pamphlet that came with SOT18, WIND CHIMES (WW's is the tag to it) was recorded at Brian's home studio on July the 10th & 11th '67.

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Date: 10/17/01
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: extra smile songs? many questions?

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****so when was the WHISPERING WINDS from SOT tracked?****

Let the debate begin. Some believe that it was tracked in the fall of 1966, on the same session that was labelled "Holidays" and would be the ending segment of "Holidays." "Holidays" has two segments that are separated by a little pause. The second section (or ending segment) is what became the "Whispering Winds" ending to SMILEY SMILE's "Wind Chimes." Some believe that Mark Linnet tagged that section onto "Holidays" in 1988 because it sounded good there. Others believe that Mark had some direction on the tape box to do so. I've never heard a real clear case as to whether it belonged on the end of "Holidays" or not. However, I think there is evidence that it was tracked in 1966. I don't have that evidence, but maybe someone here does have it.

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Thanks for the input.

a few more questions:

i have heard SPEECHES and the version i have is very very clean, not demo sounding, and it has over dubbed harmonies...sounding like: aaahhhhhh (throught the song) why would that piece be so clear when all the H/V i've been able to hear sound muddy. even the stereo H/V sounds screwy (mind you not the wonderful chorus, but the opening and the sunny down snuff are crackly or something)?

so when was the WHISPERING WINDS from SOT tracked?

i was listening to H/V (both versions) and was curious about the structure. i don't know if anyone is near to constructing correctly, but why aren't sections from one in the other? it sounds as if only the opening is the same. why not the SMILEY chorus in with the cantina version? i heard an edit that was maybe 5:00 minutes (probably a fan edit) and it was great. it had the cantina section twice, second time was a sad sounding take and then they whistle instead of "your under arrest". it also had both "my children were raised" (the cantina version first and later the single version. there was none of the HEROS SECTION (gv box set) in it, which tend to make the edits ridiculously long.

i am full of questions.

thanks

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>> .. HOLIDAYS mainly a vibraphone and has two sections that end with same beat as people knocking on a door? you know:da na na na, da na na na, da da da da da da...da? <<

I LOVE your description of it .. but, yeah ! I think you've nailed it.

>>> .. LOOK have a section that sounds like a part of CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG? <<<

I don't know about that, but ..

>>> .. I RAN is another name for HE GIVES SPEECHES. as in ran for office. <<<

I RAN is the working title for LOOK. It became LOOK, when vocals were recorded (or is it the other way 'round lol) The vocal version ( to the best of my knowledge ) hasn't been found yet.

>>> ..HE GIVES SPEECHES was that just an outtake track? <<<

Nobody knows. It's gotta fit in *somewhere*,right ?

>>> ..someone put SPEECHES into WORMS. the ending bass of SPEECHES smoothly goes into WORMS, but that isn't correct, is it? <<<

*Ahem* .. that was me a looong time back. Just another fan edit. I still quite like it. Nuff said.

>>> ..TUNE X or TONES is just the wrong name for LOOK? <<<

I think someone has pointed out that this was actually a Carl Wilson produced song in it's own right and has nothing to do with LOOK.

>>> .. EARTH CHANT <<<

I think it's doing the rounds on the file sharing program circuit, but I haven't heard it myself. I seem to remember that this isn't anything new though.

>>> .. WHISPERING WINDS <<<

I think you've downloaded tracks from the Sea Of Tunes series. You can find them with a load of other SS versions on Sea Of Tunes Vol.18.

I hope this helps you a little bit.

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Date: 10/17/01 12:29:27
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: extra smile songs? Speeches

"Tune X" and "Tones" are not the same thing. One is a Carl production and the other is Brian. Both from the Spring of 1967.

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HOLIDAYS

I think you're thinking of LOOK.

does LOOK have a section that sounds like a part of CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG?

I think you're thinking of Holidays... the tag maybe?

i read that I RAN is another name for HE GIVES SPEECHES

Nope. I RAN is another name for Look, in this case the currently lost version w/ vocals.

TUNE X or TONES is just the wrong name for LOOK

No, TUNE X is a Carl track we haven't heard yet. HOLIDAYS was once believed to be TONES, which I'm 90% sure is the same thing as TUNE X. I think "TONES" was a misnomer, as in the tones at the head of the tape.

i once found a mp3 called EARTH CHANT. i read on this site that it is just a backing track to VEGETABLES maybe?

That's exactly what it is, more accurately the track to the fade of Vegetables.

WHISPERING WINDS is for SMILEY. but i also download two versions off napster and i was blown away. one had full vocal arrangments, much fuller than the Smiley track

Actually, the Smiley version is fairly full but it's mixed at such a low volume you can't hear it. The alternate version sounds like the harpsichord from the same session, but I don't know that anyone round these parts knows when it was recorded.

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I'm not so sure that what we know of as Speeches should be called a demo although it might be. It is true that it later developed into Goin' Bald but I doubt that BW would have added the overdubs of the high-pitched "wailing" vocals (with subtle background vocals as well, and a clapping overdub (I think I've have one with clapping) and then mixed down. Seems like alot of effort for a demo. But again, I could be wrong. Would it have made it to a finished 1967 SMiLE? I doubt it, but who knows?

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Tune X is an, to us, unknown piece of SMILE music that one particular board member has heard. Tones is Carl's song. I Ran is the same song as Look. He Gives Speeches is a short demo, of some sort, not related to any of the above songs, although it later evolved into She's Goin Bald. Earth Chant is a fan edit.

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this is long, sorry.

i know there has been countless going over of tracks with the names: holidays, look, i ran, tunes x....countless more.

i am having trouble distinguishing the tracks i've heard to the descriptions written here and on other sites. here is what i've managed to figure out. my sources are from mp3's and a few random cdrs. i also have LLVS, though some of the info seems a bit off. i have read the smile faq...but still i am puzzled.

HOLIDAYS mainly a vibraphone and has two sections that end with same beat as people knocking on a door? you know:da na na na, da na na na, da da da da da da...da?

does LOOK have a section that sounds like a part of CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG? some where i read that I RAN is another name for HE GIVES SPEECHES. as in ran for office.

HE GIVES SPEECHES was that just an outtake track? there is a link on this site we someone put SPEECHES into WORMS. the ending bass of SPEECHES smoothly goes into WORMS, but that isn't correct, is it?

TUNE X or TONES is just the wrong name for LOOK?

also i once found a mp3 called EARTH CHANT. i read on this site that it is just a backing track to VEGETABLES maybe? but i am almost sure it was something else. i remember it being really slow and kind of down beat...i reminded me of CIFTTM quite a bit. any suggestions?

also i have read that WHISPERING WINDS is for SMILEY. but i also download two versions off napster and i was blown away. one had full vocal arrangments, much fuller than the Smiley track. and the other had instumentation behind the vocals. maybe a harpsicord or bells? it sounded too clean to be Smiley. just because it is in a different key, does that mean it would not go with SMILE WINDCHIMES?

again thanks for any info, don't want to beat a dead horse.



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