Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:10 +0200
Subject: Heroes, Villains & An Old Theory

Hello cabiners, This is probably old hat to most of you, but I still wonder what evidence is there against Dominic Priore's theory that Heroes & Villains Pt.2 are these three sections starting off with the "how I love my girl" a-cappella and including pone verse and numerous repetitions of the "Heroes & Villains" main motive?

Thank you for enlightment,

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:37:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Heroes, Villains & An Old Theory

>>> I still wonder what evidence is there against Dominic Priore's theory that Heroes & Villains Pt.2 are these three sections starting off with the "how I love my girl" a-cappella and including one verse and numerous repetitions of the "Heroes & Villains" main motive?

-- that particular assembly, with the final "sunny down snuff" verse, was done by Mark Linnett in 1988, and not Brian Wilson in 1966, and was simply to illustrate a number of interesting H&V "sections," not to provide any definitive order.

-- while there IS evidence that the repetitive "doot doot doot, Heroes and Villains" sections were meant to live next to each other, there is no evidence that they were meant as side two to a 2-sided single. They are called out at the session as things like "part 2 - revised version" and "part 2 -- version 4" and on session sheets are likely logged as "insert."

-- There is some interesting and compelling evidence FOR a two-sided H&V single, the most compelling of which was the recent revelation that the minor-key H&V chorus is logged as "Side Two." If, however, the H&V chorus was part of a 2-sided single, it's very likely that the major-key variations were already ditched at the time. Likely record date for the major-key repetitions: December '66. Likely record date for the minor-key H&V chorus: February.

-- If the chorus was part of a "side 2" I'd say it's likely that some of the other things logged in late February as "part 2" under a different master number might've been the REST of "side 2," and that includes a re-recorded "false barnyard," "H&V Intro," and probably "prelude to fade aka the country western section." In other words: if there ever was a "part 2" I'd say it's likely it wasn't in the same time frame as the "part 2 variations."

-- although really, nobody knows.
-- Dom could've been right!

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Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:36:04 -0700

Subject: Re: Heroes, Villains & An Old Theory

I'm pretty sure that Dom's assertion that there was a "Heroes And Villains(part 2)" originally came from Brad Elliott's book Surf's Up! In the book Brad states, "One of the projected cuts, a seven minute long Heroes and Villains, was set as a single and scheduled for release January 13, 1967. Numbered 5826, it was to run both sides of the record - Heroes And Villains, Part 1 backed with Heroes and Villains, Part 2.

Do you know what Mr. Elliott based his original claim upon?

BTW, the January 13th release date is one day prior to the first "Be-In" which was held in San Francisco on the 14th. Organizers picked the 14th after consulting with an astrologer. Interesting that Brian also relied on a similar consultation to pick the eventual release day for "Heroes And Villains."